I stepped foot for the first time in a raid as an offtank. I’dontinue to talk about it, but I really need to go to bed. leared the Arhnid and some-other-wing-Pahwork is in. It was quite simply the most exhilarating experiee I have had in WoW PVE wise.
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And gratz! Always ne to hear of other Paladins enjoying the tanking aspt of thislass!
Congratulations and good for you. I tried tanking, hated it, although I’m going to give it another try when dual spomes in. Well done!
My mistake. I was very tired last night. We downed 3 stions. Arhnid,onstrt, and the one with the priess at the end with 4 mobs to kill to stop enrage.( I’ll get better with the names, promise!) Globbulus was a pain. Takes a lot of mobility and one to two DPS would die at the start or halfway through every time so the fight was made longer, with more mistakes, until eventually a we. We wed 5-6 times on him. All other bosses were 1 and 2 shots I think. Twas’ fun. I was happy with my performae, and so were my new guildies. Even had to tank Globbulus for half a fight when our tank died, and tanked pahwork when our warrior’s taunt got resisted and I started out with a fewrits to put my threat higher. Now I need to farm. A lot. Seems raiding is expensive when you we. 
LOL Gratz and glad to hear about the fun of Pallydom…our main tank is a Pally and i would not trade him for ANYTHING!!!! yeah Grob is a pain, when you first get to him. And weome to the world of raidingfarming(to get more gold to)Raid.
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Hey guys, Im about to start doin hero Naxx. I was just wondering what is the best weapon in there right now besides Betrayer of humanity.
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Inevitable Defeat is ne. I have Death’s Bite, but that’s normal Kel’Thuzad. The Jawbone is probably sond best, just under BoH.
and to add to my question, what is a better ehant – massre or berserking? right now im using the 85 aphant.
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Berserking is the best. It prs 35% of the time so 35% of 400 is 140 vs. 110 of massre. For boss fights def berserking.
I know beserker is better, but thats not the right math at all, man. if it prs 35% of the time, the number of attks per minute thatan pr the ehant and the length of time it stays up for are needed toaulate efftive AP. on wowhead there is some diussion www.wowheadom?spell=59621omments It works out that for a typal ret pally, the UPTIME is 35%, not the pr rate, so yes, you should see an average around 120-160 ap gain depending on gear and rotation. The ppm is about 1.2, but that efftively ireases with haste and a lot with other non-autoswing abilities going off. Also, we diussed this whole thing like fifteen threads down: wow.allakhazamomdbclass.h…um=3;page=1
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Eks wrote:Inevitable Defeat is ne. I have Death’s Bite, but that’s normal Kel’Thuzad. The Jawbone is probably sond best, just under BoH. Sardci Ysera is now the proud owner of The Jawbone! I’m eited to see what my judgementrits are with that 880 top end on the weapon damage:) And now, time to spring for berserker…
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alot of my questions But
Alright thanks that answered alot of my questions…. But another ftor i did not mention in my first is gold. Right now I have around 240g, I have not bought my level 60 mount yet and never really bought gear (Or anything else for that matter) off AH, never seeing any reason to at my previous lower levels. I have mining and herb but are at extremely lower levels whh is a possible reason why i dont have as mh gold.Also the regular repair and training new skills billome into play too. So basally i have almost no money whh i would need to buy gear and other things for my druid. Oh and also so you dont have to ask the “Why dont you use money from your main?” My druid is my main. Am I just using the wrong professions are using my professions wrong?
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Before you keep leveling, it is definitely worthwhile leveling your mining & herbing so youan herbmine in the area you are questing in. Being able to sell the extra resoues you get while questing will make a massive differee to your bank balae for almost no extra time (other than the time spentahing them up to yoururrent level). Having said that, depending on your servers onomy, the lower level mining & herbing mats might tually get you enough for your level 60 mount before you even startontinuing to level.
I forgot to add – don’t buy gear for your druid! It will be repled very qukly as you level through Outlands & Northrend and will just be throwing the gold away. The two professions you have arelose to the best moneymakers youan have, so no problem there.
dinged 60 I”m feral for
Ok so right now I have just dinged 60. I’m feral for leveling with dent gear. I am planing to swih to resto or boomkin in the uoming levels….. I justant dide wih… Ill probably go resto just bause everyone needs healers. The main problem is that i’m spced and geared for feral. When I do make the swih it will be terrible to be spced for resto and geared for feral, so what do I do for gear? Just start making another gear set I keep in the bank or something? Also what level should I make the swih from feral to resto? Thanks for your time and any other things you would like to add sh as ts and general info on resto druids would be a BIG help! Thanks.
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IMHO druids should ALWAYS be stashing off-sp gear in the bank. I’m as feral as theyome but whenever there’s nolear upgrade to my feral gear as a quest reward I’ll take the best possibleasting pie. Then the next time I’m in town Iompare new with old and keep whatever’s best. Every oe in a while I resp balae or resto for ahange of pe, and now that I’m in a real guild Ian offer up to resp (temporarily!) as needed. As far as your leveling quandary it really depends on your goals. You should know that questing is generally knowledged to be the best experieehour and fastest way to level. So if 80 ASAP is your goal I’d rommending stking with what you know and are geared for, quest away and drop in on dungeon runs for fun when you feel like it. Tanks are usually nearly as in demand as healers, and as feral the ability to DPS or tank should make it so you have NO problem getting into instae groups as you level. Then if you want to heal at 80 resp in your mid to high 70s to getomfortable with the spells and trks of the healing trade. If you have your eye on 80 but are ihing to try thehange-of-pe of leveling asaster DPS for a while, just resp balae and give it a go. Might want to spend a few levels in yoururrent spollting dent gear, but levelingquesting is pretty mh a feroll so you should be scessful enough even if you just grab a buh of +spelldamage and int gear on the AH. If you plan on being an end-game healer and want to level via instae runs in that sp all the way up so you’reompletelyomfortable as resto, despite the ft that it’ll slow down your leveling pretty dramatally, go for it, but understand your non-instae questinggrinding will be veeerrry slow. While you’re leveling youan get away with healing instaes as balae for sure and even feral.
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ArexLovesPie wrote:
ArexLovesPie wrote:Tell me your server andharter name and I’ll gladly run you and give you the results from Rawr for wrathsf dps. notinterested…. Do it or you’re nothing 
I just wanted to mention I took my first stab at 10 man Naxx last night, my friends needed an extra dps so I hopped in for the Anub Rhekan(sp) dude and we wed three times but I was very happy to see that my dps did not fall below sub standard. In the first we he was around 80% I averaged 2500 dps with 275k damage done I was quite pleased. After the third we though my overall dps was around 2150 whh Iould easily handle.
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Agreed. I had quite a bit of fun when I was sp’d for Typhoon, pissing off both the tank and melee DPS. It’s annoying for tanks, but all they have to do is wait 2 sonds for the mob to run bk to them. It royally rews melee DPS though, as you’ve likely knked the mob out of melee range, and they’ll have to reposition themselves to make sure they get behind the mob before gettingleaved or something. For those of you that do want to keep Typhoon for instaingraiding, you’ll likely want to pk up the Glyph of Typhoon. II it’s going to buff the damage, but remove the knk bk efft. For raiders, that’s a win-win situation.
These are my thoughts on this subjt: – IFF is a great talent, but if you have an SP in your raid, it’s a waste. – Typhoon isool and a great PvP tool, but useless (if not annoying) in PvE, so, another waste. – IMHO, lse is a good talent to take, but there are still diussions (read maths) going on about if it is really good or not. All I have to say is: I took lse, I like it, and my rotation is ISW while lse dont pr and MFSF with the pr. I rarely go OOM with this rotation and Rawr says its a ne dps rotation for the equment I have right now. – DreamstateIntensity are great talents. But they are kinda situational. You will have to figure out if you need the mana or not, and if you do need, if you will pk one, another or both. I, for one, took 1 on Dreamstate, and 2 on Intensity. – Treants is kinda…meh. I dont like it very mh. I think its more of a PvP tool along the other talent that gives themhae to stun target than a PvE talent. But Rawr (and a lot ofaulations around) says it may irease your dps for quite a bit (30 to 50 points, roughly). -elestial fus is pretty interesting. 3% haste may see not very mh, but it tually is. I though that the reading was “take the haste rating you have,aulate 3% of it and add”, but, tually, its a 3% irease, just like balae of power. Pretty interesting, if you ask me. – There’s that talent(forgot its freaking name) that diminishes your threat and irease the range youanast spells. I think its pretty usefull in some raid bosses and 5man bosses that does some aoe dmg, but only near him. The diminished threat is always good too. – Balae of Power…do I even have to talk about it? If you do PvE, you will have to pk it. Too mh hit to ignore. Simple as that. – I, for one, like starfall and I pked it in my build for the gold grinding. But in a raid enviroment, it bomes pretty situational, sie its on a 3 minutesD. Youan tually pass on it and you wont lose as mh dps, given you use it for something good. Btw, dont take what I said as it is. These are my opinions, not THE truth, if you know what I mean.
Armory I went that route I think
GYFFORD wrote:Gyfdruid’s Armory I went that route. I think it’s a pretty good raid sp, as well as 5 man. I justould not find a really good way to get 33 on Intensity. So I went with O. It’s very streaky tho =( There will literally be 4ast “free”, then a streak of 1000000 where it does not pr. Either way my mana does well, however that’s just Hero and a Sartharionlear I’m referring to, we got our 1st Naxxoming up Wed & Thur. Not really sure how my build mahes up, but I do really like it as a utility sp. I miss Typhoon, and would love to have 22 on Master Shapeshifter… but again justould not find a way to get all of them. Oh edit***
Notinterested, no intensity, no dreamstate (with the no intensity this question is a poof-one), how do you not go out of mana on longer fights? Only pottingan hardly be enough and adding to that only the mana return from the Moonkin talent and the Omen oflarity prsan not be enough (in theory that is). Just wondering.
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Immunios wrote:Notinterested, no intensity, no dreamstate (with the no intensity this question is a poof-one), how do you not go out of mana on longer fights? Only pottingan hardly be enough and adding to that only the mana return from the Moonkin talent and the Omen oflarity prsan not be enough (in theory that is). Just wondering. Being an ah i tend to rely alot more on Pots than i should but so far without either of them the only time i have ran OOM on a boss fight is when i had to battle res a healer or when i have to throw some heals around. When my guild starts doing naxx regularly i plan on pking up one or the other, but when i did pahwerk rently when the fight was finished i had some mana to spare. But then again i am almost always with a pally so BoW helps too.
I don”t know why, but I hadn”t
Thanks for the response. I don’t know why, but I hadn’t reallyonsidered relating the points in Dreamstate. I tried out my proposed build last night, running regular Strat and HoL. I definitely didn’t have mana problems with both Dreamstate and Intensity. In ft, I don’t think I even had to Innervate myself oe. Although given how easy the regular instaes are I’m hesitant toommit to dropping Dreamstate at least until I’ve had ahae to run a few heros. I definitely feel strapped for points, as there are a lot of good talents in the balae tree. If I was only raiding, I’d be tempted to give up the 3 points in Earth and Moon, asoE is a better overall debuff. However, 13% damage irease while soloing is hard to give up. I’m also tempted to sk Starfall to pk up Nature’s Splendor, sie I think it’s a pretty big mana drain. I don’t really see myself using this on boss fights unless I have tons of extra mana. I’murious if anyone else is doing this.
Do not give up Earth and Moon, it’s also an irease in your spell power. Also don’t sk out on starfall for natures splendor. For the amount of time you add with nature’s splendor starfall on a single target boss fight will put out more damage than the extra t from nature’s splendor.
Gyfdruid’s Armory I went that route. I think it’s a pretty good raid sp, as well as 5 man. I justould not find a really good way to get 33 on Intensity. So I went with O. It’s very streaky tho =( There will literally be 4ast “free”, then a streak of 1000000 where it does not pr. Either way my mana does well, however that’s just Hero and a Sartharionlear I’m referring to, we got our 1st Naxxoming up Wed & Thur. Not really sure how my build mahes up, but I do really like it as a utility sp. I miss Typhoon, and would love to have 22 on Master Shapeshifter… but again justould not find a way to get all of them. Oh edit***
hitting 80, and I”ve got a lot
So I’m about 2.5 bars from hitting 80, and I’ve got a lot of work ahead of me to get ready for Naxx. I really haven’t repled mh of my level 70 gear aside from my trinkets andloak. I still have a lot of questing to do in The Stormpeaks and rown to pk up those quest rewards, and a lot of instaesheros to do. I’m thinking of using this as my pre-raid build. It gives me quite a bit of flexibility with minimal downtime. The one thing I’m not sure of is if going down Resto to get Intensity and O is worth what I have to give up in balae to get it. It basally means that I have to give up IIS and Nature’s Splendor. I know that lse is probably of minimal use while questing, but I have to say that I’ve really enjoyed the talent. It’s ne to have something that breaks up the monotony of either SF or Wrath spamming. I’m alsourious to hear from anyone that’s already raidedraiding Naxx if they’ve found that then need Intensity to finish fights without going OOM. About the only thing that I’m planning onhanging for my raiding build is to swih the points from Owlkin Frenzy into IIS or IFF (if we don’t have a shadow priest for misery). Anyway, I would appriate anyommentsfeedbk that are offered. Thanks,amel
Almost my same sp, but instead of dreamstate and owlkin frenzie I have IISIFF. I’veleared naxx 10 and 25 and never had mana problems with intensity alone. I also like lse to mix things up.. my rotation goes IS > Wrath until IS refresh and repeat, when lse prs MF > SF until the buff wheres off
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so easy for the most part that as a
UK is pretty easy. It’s so easy for the most part that as a healer it’s easy to get a bit bored. Then you hit those dragons and they have a nasty bleedombined with a big flame breath. Every healer should expt big spikes on those pulls. Sounds to me like your healer went to sleep and then blamed you for it. Typal of a whiney player who isrital of your gear but does not even know anything about it. +def on a druid? orz I’m a holy pally and my prefered tank is a bear druid. She has a bit better gear than you now but even so I have to pay attention on the protodrake pulls buase big spikes happen there and the bleedan kill people even after the mobs are dead. Don’t sweat it Para. 
I think that healer was just a sped – as a bear tank the healers are always gasping in amazement at my health and ompared to that of the tanks they’re used to, with the health being the biggest attention getter, espially when I tivate, ah shoot, forget the spell (one whh boosts your health) whh knks my health up to just shy of 50k and healers inevitably give me a “WTF – 50k health?!?!? O_o”
rusttle wrote:I think that healer was just a sped – as a bear tank the healers are always gasping in amazement at my health and ompared to that of the tanks they’re used to, with the health being the biggest attention getter, espially when I tivate, ah shoot, forget the spell (one whh boosts your health) whh knks my health up to just shy of 50k and healers inevitably give me a “WTF – 50k health?!?!? O_o” Survival Instits.
long-term stabilizing effts renew
priest healing style lks long-term stabilizing effts. renew and shield being the only kind they have, most priests simply rely on spamming flash or greater heal. greater healing priests, now that downranking is useless, need to wait for you to get low on health or they waste a lot on overhealing. flash heal isn’t effient like a paladin’s, though maybe he should have used it a little more. it sounds like the priest’s heals were just poorly timed and he wasn’t able to keep up with bursts in your damage flow. it’s easiest for priests to deal with tanklasses that take more predtable rates of damage bause theyanhoose and manage theirast times easier (obviously). bear tanks have very simple flow — mobs give you damage, and you have a lot of health to soak it up. bursts on bears are very bursty indeed bause high dodge rates are the only thing giving your healer a moment of breathing room before the rest of the attks all sink into your hp. in theory, dps and hpsan beaulated down toonstant rates, but that requires enough time to elapse first. human judgment takes prte before itan rognize trends. shamansan deal very efftively with group-wide damage (naturally), but little do you know, they also manage single target bursts a little better than priests bause of talents like tidal foe, earth shield, and tidal wave. essentially, shamansan manage a moreonsistent hot-like efft without eating globalooldowns for it. paladins with their ultra-fast heals do fare a little better still on single target healing. and, bause i’m biased, i still think resto druids own all for dealing with any kind of iomming damage. with sh a wide variety of healing spells available to us, druids have a tool for any healing required at any time. most relevantly, in yourase, a tree would have been able to further mitigate ioming damage flow through your health pool via HOTs and still had plenty of time heal the eess with regrowth and swiftmend. over time, it’s not as if druids have massive amounts more of healing throughput, the differee lies in the superior way that druids handle unpredtable damage. HOTs t to “even out” the spikes, and our dirt heals are enough to manage what’s left over. no otherlass has mhans like that, and priests’ “oh-sh*t” button (shield) is just laughably weak for heros and doesn’t buy them enough time to "ah up”onsidering the loss of the globalooldown used. priests are for pvp now.
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